Fabian Holland: All Blacks lock reflects on Dutch links to apartheid

@clevermike Mike you’d be better to reflect on what actually happened to the black people in your own country throughout its history rather than deflecting blame to other countries by basically saying the Aussies were worse than us!
Take some ownership mate!

@moolaa ... that's the whole point... history is full of blame going around and South African black folk aren't blameless either...pointing fingers gets us nowhere.

Amandla! black power

Time to Toit Toit or Just Peter Steph to Du Toit this dickhead Holland looking for clout

DB, that's a lazy cliché. Of course we must not repeat the mistakes of the past. Everyone knows that. But using apartheid as a weapon to justify everything happening now is just as dumb. You can remember history without living in it. So what's your point??

@bobbok

Let me give you a bit of family ancestry. Van Riebeeck after establishing the Cape settlement took a local and brought her up as a future translator in communication with local residents of the Cape - she was called Eva of the Goringhaikona. Eva ended up marrying a Danish shipdoctor and slave trader by the name of Meerhof, She had a son and daughter with him. On one of his slavetrading exercises he went to Madagascar where he was murdered.

Eva became a lost soul and started drinking heavily and she was sent to Robben Island to get her away from alcohol and the Local Church took over the caring of her children, A childless Dutch couple on out to Mauritius - also a Dutch colony at the time. There she met a local Dutch farmer by the name of Zaaiman - when Van der Stel was Governor there. His son - also called Simon - later became Governor of the then Dutch Cape Colony. Be it it may Eva's daughter married the farmer by the name of Zaaiman in Mauritius, In 1709 that family with their children moved to Cape Town where they settled.

When the English took over the Cape Colony the name Zaaiman got changed to Saayman, All the Saaymans in S A and worldwide are therefore descended from Eva of the Goringhaikona, So I have like many others with Cape Dutch origin are in fact also descended from non-Whites,

There is no way the Dutch had anything to do with racial discrimination - the Black areas in the Transkei was not part of the Dutch colony of the Cape. Pox and measle epidemics killed most of the local Khoekoe (Khoi) inhabitants and that resulted in importation by the Dutch Colonial Government of slaves from Asia and countries in Africa.

There were no real Apartheid in SA before the English took over the Colony in 1806/ There were no laws separating the population according to racial separation. Real apartheid was implemented by the English Government after 1806. There were only 4 towns in the Colony namely Cape Town, Stellenbosch, Swellendam and Graaff-Reinet.

Like all farmers worldwide the most hated thing is paying income tax to Governments, so the farmers moved on their own and settled down with no real authority over the expanding area. I will give you a real example. In around 1720 the first White farmer by the name of Loos arrived in the Riversdale area, and built a house near where the Oakdale Rugby school is situated. When he heard about the intention of the Dutch Government to establish a Magistrates Court in Swellendam he panicked and sold the farm to a bloke by the name of Mulder for 800 Riksdaalders and the "lose goed" for another 800 Riksdaalders and moved away to ensure he has no Government authority. At the time the name of the farm was called Zeekoegat and that is where I was born and grew up. The Mulders had slaves and in the 2 homes they built on Zeekoegat - one completed in 1795 and the other in 1821,

In essence what I am driving at is that Government in the Cape until 1806 was weak and ineffective with virtually no enforcement of authority in most of the Colony. A more effective and oppressive Government was established by the British Government and so a string of border wars caused annexation of the Transkei and Ciskei by the Government, Before 1854 there were no legislative body in the Cape Colony, In that year a so-called parliament was established in Cape Town as an advisory body, The riots I referred to was against the establishment of prisoners from the UK to settle in the Cape Colony ,

In any event the members of the 1854 parliament was elected - but the Dutch/Afrikaans speaking component of the population was not interested in the elections and did not serve in the body. In 1872 the situation changed and the Dutch and Afrikaans speaking people became involved in politics and by 1892 the first really elected Government caused the takeover of power by the Afrikaans Community - but the leadership remained firmly in English hands - but with a difference. The Prime Minister's existence depended on the support of the Dutch-Afrikaans voters, Examples of Prime Ministers were Molteno, Upington, Rhodes and Merriman.

So to claim that the Dutch in fact established apartheid in S A is ridiculous It has no real proof of it. Fact is the British Government laid the foundation of Apartheid in SA,

@clevermike

Apartheid is such a dirty word and nobody really knows what it means. It is like a whole group of people are painted with it, but because they are christian, independent and determined to make things work as well as community focused.

The whole ANC propaganda was driven by socialist influence that look to take power but offer not alternative that single out a single group of people to blame for the ills of the many or uneducated, uninformed.

Yet, after everything has been systematically replaced by the "raibow" nation, there are still pockets of Afrikaaners that hold true to these values that has formed over 350 years. God, Family, community

Hence why I said the Griquas, a mix race group adopted these principles and Afrikaaners as a wider group have far more in common with these people and can be seen as cousins or half brothers. There are 16 million Afrikaans speaking people in South Africa, Black, white and Coloured. If the Afrikaner speaking people were to unite, a real change can be made.

Not this liberal libtartds, communist scum powered by greedy industrialist like Johan Rupert or the folk from News 24 / Nasper or Anglo American mines that seek to use the political tools to whip people up in a frenzy while they prosper and go about their evil dealings un notice. What about that mineworkers that the cops mowed down, 43 of them were killed and Cyril was at the heart of it, yet he got away with it and no accountability.

What people don't realise that you are being played by this elite group of people, the Cadre from the ANC is a tool of the industrialist, Bankers and so on. Ultimately, Debt and the love of money is what rule the world. Debt is how the Britain lost its Empire, Debt is how Spain lost its Empire and so it goes on. Yet, to whom is the debt owned?

War is what crates debt, who instigates these wars, first it starts at the ground root, people feel deprived, then there is the ruling class that go about setting obscured policies to turn people against each other.

Afrikaans are the one true solution, They are the most friendliest people you can met, hard, straight talking and uncompromising and they have every right to feel the way they do.

I am not i.nerested what the Dutch did elsewhere in their empire, They did terrible things in Indonesia and Malaysia

I do not think there ever was an empire in existence, most fo e h colo/nies were run by private companies - as wss t he ase with the French, Spanish, UK and Holland, Empires are routinely ruled by Emporers and not kings - he exception being the British ones where the ehad of sate was always called King and only for a brier period from 1912 to 1949 was called the Emporer. The British got most of their colonies before 1912 and the late Queen was not desig nated as Empress - but as Queen.

However, I think empire is not the real word to be used. The words are Dutch Colony System.

Let's have a nice long essay on the ANCs post apartheid legacy.

Then let's do Zim. While we're at it, let's also cover DRC, Nigeria. Somalia, Uganda and why not chuck Liberia in for good measure.

Let's talk about their legacies, since we're so interested in the suffering of natives.

We can cover things like murder and rape rates. Then we can look at poverty metrics, education and healthcare.

I'm sure it's gonna be a fun task.

Perhaps we could also do a broader essay on slavery in Africa TODAY. You know, black slaves owned by blacks. FYI there are millions, right now. People that will wake up this morning and be forced to work for no money, barely fed and when they get sick be left to die in squalor.

...or are you only interested in reposting articles that make whitie from 200 years ago look bad?

Of course you aren't interested in discussing actual harm and actual issues today. Because you'll have to take a bit of a look you're homies in having to assign blame.

And in case anyone might wonder why that is, I know. It's because on some level you blame whites for all of that too. But you know how ridiculous that is and that if you were to admit it public you'd be a laughing stock. And so you believe it secretly and only you know the insane justifications you use.

So, I await your reposting on the current state of slavery in Africa.