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A Question of Lawyers - you get the honest ones - like Dave and then you get this

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Saffolk
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15 Oct 2014, 16:46
#121
15 Oct 2014, 16:46#121

Pakie are you fucking stupid?  

 

'clearly demonstrating that he admitted to predicting a win for the World XV' huh?

 

Wake up you fucking waste of space.......I am not hiding from anything, I never made any predictions relating to the World 15 or Wales you ignorant fool - that is a FACT

 

How bloody stupid are you?

 

I take it English is not your first language?


 

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15 Oct 2014, 16:50
#122
15 Oct 2014, 16:50#122
 Keep on digging ou Maaikie. Just bear in mind that the closer you get to the core of the earth, the hotter it gets.

Maybe you should have a look at what exactly constitutes a bet and where the "unpredictable" part comes into play.

Bet
1. An agreement usually between two parties that the one who has made an incorrect prediction about an uncertain outcome will forfeit something stipulated to the other; a wager.2. An amount or object risked in a wager; a stake.3. One on which a stake is or can be placed: Our team is a sure bet to win.4. a. A plan or an option considered with regard to its probable consequence: Your best bet is to make reservations ahead of time.    b. Informal A view or opinion, especially about something that cannot be known at the present time: My bet is that the rain will hold off. My bet is he didn't do it.v. bet or bet·ted, bet·ting, bets v.tr.1. To stake (an amount, for example) in a bet.2. To make a bet with: I bet them that we would be first.3. To make a bet on (a contestant or an outcome).4. To maintain confidently, as if making a bet: I bet they were surprised by the news.v.intr. To make or place a bet.Idiom: you bet Informal Of course; surely.
Have a close look at the example given at point no 3, i.e. Our team is a sure bet to win.
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15 Oct 2014, 16:55
#123
15 Oct 2014, 16:55#123

Well nobody forced Vetsak to say anything....by his own free will he said the ONLY chance the Boks have to beat Wales is if Morne is subbed in the first few minutes.

 

So now, lets get the OOM's take on that sentence. What does it mean OOM, if not a prediction of a Bok loss?

 

Your  shuttlecock OOMpie

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15 Oct 2014, 16:58
#124
15 Oct 2014, 16:58#124
Is that a prediction Moffie.....take it you got your degree in a lucky packet?  
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15 Oct 2014, 17:00
#125
15 Oct 2014, 17:00#125

Is your name OOMpie.....if not shuttup Vetsak.

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15 Oct 2014, 17:07
#126
15 Oct 2014, 17:07#126
Should I repeat it for you again Dave?

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Mozart starts a thread called:

Posters predicting a World Win seems to include....
June 05, 2014, 14:58:52 Clean Gene, Ou Maaik, Sapp....
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Dave's first response in that thread is: 

Yep, the World side is better than the Bok side so my money would be on the World side. 

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In other words Dave, a positive response by you to the assertion in the thread title (that you were one of the people predicting a World win).

You could have said "Wrong, I'm not predicting a World win at all you fucking waste of space". But you didn't. You said "Yep".

All over. Bye bye.

English is my second language. Not sure how that's of any consequence. I'm sure the Oxford Dictionary's first language is English.
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15 Oct 2014, 18:38
#127
15 Oct 2014, 18:38#127

Oh so now you are telling me what I could have said.......fuck off you ignorant prick

 

I can tell English is your second language, either that or you are profoundly stupid  

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15 Oct 2014, 18:39
#128
15 Oct 2014, 18:39#128
Moffie the only fuckwit that should be shutting up is you, given you have been exposed in no uncertain terms on this thread.......unless of course you can come up with the predictions I made you liar  
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15 Oct 2014, 19:26
#129
15 Oct 2014, 19:26#129

Say OOM.....we need your actual interpretation of the sentence

 

 

"The ONLY chance the Boks have of beatingWales is if that useless Morne Steyn is injured in the opening minutes and replaced by a real rugby player in Goosen"

 

 

What is your brain (ahem) saying to you when you read that sentence. No more ducking or diving.....write the thought (ahem) down in your own er...words.

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16 Oct 2014, 00:34
#130
16 Oct 2014, 00:34#130
 The top five most un-ethical professions are:
 Lawyers PoliticiansReal Estate Agents.Insurance Agents-BrokersCar Salesman.

Comments?
Most ethical.
Still trying my best to think of one.

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16 Oct 2014, 00:56
#131
16 Oct 2014, 00:56#131
 You left one out AJ. Builders.
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16 Oct 2014, 01:15
#132
16 Oct 2014, 01:15#132
 Yep.....forgot about those criminals.
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16 Oct 2014, 13:30
#133
16 Oct 2014, 13:30#133
 If you want integrity call a CA. Our motto is integritas
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16 Oct 2014, 13:36
#134
16 Oct 2014, 13:36#134
 
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16 Oct 2014, 13:51
#135
16 Oct 2014, 13:51#135
 Mozart
An opinion - not a prediction.   That does not necessarily entail a prediction as implied by you.      
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16 Oct 2014, 14:05
#136
16 Oct 2014, 14:05#136
Sorry cerudunce windpomp we stick to IFRS which in limited cases allows for alternative discosures to ensure fair disclosure.
Pakie I think this thread depends for its hilarity on the fact that snapster and ou maaakie can't own up to the blunders in predictions made. I am surprised ou maaaikie would blunder on this scale! rooitwit would love t o help out but even his dimness realises its a hopeless case.





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16 Oct 2014, 15:37
#137
16 Oct 2014, 15:37#137
So OOM, let me get this straight its was Sapp's opinion the Boks were going to lose to Wales? Hmmm, that's actually quite clever, are you standing by that?
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16 Oct 2014, 16:19
#138
16 Oct 2014, 16:19#138
The OOM is ducking again....back to the top hey OOM?  
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16 Oct 2014, 17:36
#139
16 Oct 2014, 17:36#139
 So what am I ducking?  Saffex did not say I predict a win foioe Wales   - he said he believes that with Morne at flyhalf the Springboks do not have a chance to win.
You consequently said he predicted  a win by Wales  - but the wording he used is not treally a prediction.
You failed to provide any info yet where Saffex directly preicted a win by Wales - he may hav hinted indiirectly at a Welsh win - but never said it directly - from all that can be jusged from the fabrications some came up with.
Howevr - if there is one thing Morne was an expert in,  it ws his determined efforts to lose games for the Springboks.  Not always successful - but not through a lack of effort.   Any game Morne played in ws a lottery - so Saffex has had reasons to make that comment.         
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16 Oct 2014, 17:36
#140
16 Oct 2014, 17:36#140
 So what am I ducking?  Saffex did not say I predict a win foioe Wales   - he said he believes that with Morne at flyhalf the Springboks do not have a chance to win.
You consequently said he predicted  a win by Wales  - but the wording he used is not really equitable to a prediction.
You failed to provide any info yet where Saffex directly preicted a win by Wales - he may have hinted indiirectly at a Welsh win - but never said it directly - from all that can be judged from the fabrications some came up with.
Howevr - if there is one thing Morne was an expert in,  it ws his determined efforts to lose games for the Springboks.  Not always successful - but not through a lack of effort.   Any game Morne played in was a lottery - so Saffex has had ample reason to make that comment.         
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16 Oct 2014, 18:10
#141
16 Oct 2014, 18:10#141

Moffie is tooooo stupid to pick up on the fact that NO prediction was ever made by myself regarding the Welsh tests.......that is a FACT

 

The only predictions I have made this year relating to tests was against Oz and NZ

 

FACT, FACT, FACT  

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16 Oct 2014, 19:23
#142
16 Oct 2014, 19:23#142

Strike!!!!!!.....so OOM you say:

 

 

"An opinion - not a prediction.   That does not necessarily entail a prediction as implied by you."    But if we go to Wikipedia and we look up "prediction" we get this:  "Outside the rigorous context of science, the term "prediction" is often used to refer to an informed guess or opinion"  So Vetsak's opinion  which you actually confirmed is, according to Wiki, a prediction. And there I gave you a chance to retract....and you doubled down. How thick can you be.....an opinion about a future even is a prediction.   Game, set and match    

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16 Oct 2014, 19:50
#143
16 Oct 2014, 19:50#143
Back to the top with this one OOM.  
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16 Oct 2014, 20:33
#144
16 Oct 2014, 20:33#144
 Mozart
If I were you - I would be ashamed to take this ba ck to the top.  You made a ridiculous false statement - Dave called it a lie - and you want this back to the top.    
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16 Oct 2014, 23:45
#145
16 Oct 2014, 23:45#145
Back to the top with this rout. oOm I asked you if you wanted to stick with your "opinion is not a prediction"  farce. Instead of taking the graceful way out I offered you, you became belligerent. So now even assuming this was an opinion and not a flat out prediction which I and others think it was, Wiki affirms a stated opinion about the outcome of a future event is a prediction.
Give it up you old coot, you and Vetsak are toast.
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17 Oct 2014, 00:02
#146
17 Oct 2014, 00:02#146
 Mozart
You ar the one that let the Board down.  Let me explain - you made an allegation thet Saffex made a prediction - which he challenged you to provide.    Since then you have been on an egg-dance .   You never found any such prediction - and the latest piece of Blarney you came up with is that story about  Morne Steyn being selected and Saffex saying that with Morne Steyn in the team the Springboks have no chance of beating Wales.   Was that a prediction?   No it was not - it was an opinion he expressed adn even subject to a number of variations.   Steyn could be subbed early - could be injured, etc.   So there are too many variables - one mentioned by Saffex - so it cannot eb classified as a prediction.   At best it is an opinion expressed by him on team selection.
There was a thread dealing with predictions specifically.   Did Saffex make a prediction under that thread?   Yes or no.  If he did not - then it must be accepted that he did not make a prediction.   
      
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17 Oct 2014, 00:07
#147
17 Oct 2014, 00:07#147
Moffie could you sink any lower or get more pathetic. Give it a rest old man you have been defeated on this one.
Just suck it up and admit you can't find evidence of my prediction or is it an opinion for the Welsh tests.
Actually Moffie on second thoughts keep the debate alive it's hilarious. .....what follows the opinion?

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17 Oct 2014, 00:21
#148
17 Oct 2014, 00:21#148
 Its burnt toast at that. Seldom have I ever heard such nonsensical bluster. 
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17 Oct 2014, 00:22
#149
17 Oct 2014, 00:22#149
Actually  it was your pal the OOm who called it an opinion...better support him. He is lying through his teeth for you, on a string which he sanctimoniously started about honesty.
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17 Oct 2014, 00:34
#150
17 Oct 2014, 00:34#150
 This might last until Christmas at this rate ! 
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17 Oct 2014, 00:35
#151
17 Oct 2014, 00:35#151
Moffie the only liar on here is you. You said I made a prediction against Wales, Mike has simply informed you that I hadn't for the simple reason that he is telling the truth.
But be our guest and prove us wrong. Simply provide material evidence of my prediction and all will be well in Moffie land.
Hell the Ed has even provided us with a search engine.....so get searching old chap.
Prediction or no prediction is the simple question
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17 Oct 2014, 00:46
#152
17 Oct 2014, 00:46#152
No....Mike called it an opinion. An opinion about the future is a prediction....down goes the last wicket. 
Look Vetsak I can exclude the three tests you are lying about and your record is two right in six predictions. Already abysmal. But we all know it's really 2 out of  9 ....the worst predicting record I have ever come across on these Boards. But I suppose dumb buggers like you can't really predict.
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17 Oct 2014, 02:40
#153
17 Oct 2014, 02:40#153
Geez old timer are you really this thick....an opinion about the future is a prediction.....bwhaaahaaaaa
Predict - forecast, foretell, prophesy, foresee, anticipate......we seem to be missing an opinion here.....not that that makes a difference you ignorant twat.......I am not interested in any alternatives to a prediction.
Provide evidence of my prediction yellow belly and thereby save yourself the blushes. Or just man up and admit you lied.
You see I am quite happy to admit I made 4 predictions and got 2 wrong. You on the other hand are just an exposed lying old fart who has about as much credibility as a dead fish
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17 Oct 2014, 03:04
#154
17 Oct 2014, 03:04#154
You have made 9 predictions and got 2 right according to the Board, which voted on this before. Using your dishonest logic....you have gotten 2 right out of 6 in the last year. You forget your predictions for  France and Wales on the YE tour, both of which are reproduced on this thread. Pathetic really.
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17 Oct 2014, 10:30
#155
17 Oct 2014, 10:30#155
 I don't care what your lackies voted on you moron. I am only interested in the facts and the facts are I only made 4 predictions.
As I keep requesting, simply provide the material evidence of my other predictions and victory is yours.
It's that simple, for the longer you keep ducking and diving my simple request, the more the fool you look and the bigger the liar you are.
Keep posting old man......the more you post the deeper you dig
Material evidence of my predictions Moffie - it's that basic.....man up old man and show your true worth.
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17 Oct 2014, 13:21
#156
17 Oct 2014, 13:21#156
 2 OUT OF NINE - A CHIMP COULD DO BETTER. 
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17 Oct 2014, 16:34
#157
17 Oct 2014, 16:34#157
Beenkop, now if only you had a brain  
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17 Oct 2014, 20:21
#158
17 Oct 2014, 20:21#158
If you flipped a coin you would in all probability done better than 2 out 9. 

So much for your rugby expertise....

Next time you make a prediction/make a bet, rather just flip a coin and tell us what you got. 
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18 Oct 2014, 12:51
#159
18 Oct 2014, 12:51#159
 Best just always back the Boks and your percentages will be a lot better snapster! 
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20 Oct 2014, 16:38
#160
20 Oct 2014, 16:38#160

Well

 

Let's take all this prediction talk out of it.

 

Duncey Dave, would it be correct to say, that if your "Opinion" was taken into account regarding the 9 games mentioned above that you had something to say about..... you would have been wrong on 7 of the 9 times that you offered your "Opinion" before any of those games started. 

 

Would that be correct?

 

No predictions, or statements by you, merely what your opinions were before any of these games started and what the final result was afterwards , would you have only achieved a 2 out of 9 win ratio?

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