The idiot that is Justin Marshall

I did not know Justin Marshall is the new Hurricanes coach. Listening to his drivel I wasn't sure whether he was trying to commentate or coach the Hurricanes or give pointers to the Kings Coaching staff as to what the Hurricanes would be doing next. He was very hypercritical of the Hurricanes players even going as far as to single out Barrett.

On the other side, I can see why Perenara was left out of the squad to play in the RWC finals last year. Very reckless decision making letting the Kings back into the game from his poor decisions. He is not choosing his moments well. I mean running the ball when there is an easy penalty infront of the sticks and running the ball from your 22 when a penalty was on offer for Barrett to kick them down field for an attacking lineout . What I am saying is they did not have to work so hard for a win. Save the energy for next week. This is a marathon competition this year and not a sprint.

 Too true bro,TJ still acts with immaturity which belies someone who has worn the Black .Anyone who thinks Barrett wont be an AB this year has rocks in his head ,Beaudy plays the super-sub superbly well as many sad moments for wee bok fans can attest to .And he scored at the death bumping up his FF score and making my choosing him over Mo'unga a better decision !

 As a Bok supporter I know all to well how good Barrett is off the bench...

 Justin MArshall is one of the very few sane voices we hear from NZ. We certainly dont hear any here as reading the rants of that half wit warped DUD so very well illustrate! Please include ou ab ASS also as A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE! AB ASS THOUGH HAS HIS MOMENTS OF LUCIDITY IF ONE HAS THE PATIENCE TO WAIT FOR THEM. What one really appreciates about Justin is that he will say the oppostion team is being unfairly reffed when playing a nz team. I think that is why these one eyed blowhard kbbs dont like honest Justin - is doesnt fit into their frame of reference. hONESTY IS  ANATHMA TO THEM - it cuts against the gentic inheritance. HahahhahahahahaAs for wee beau I much prefer Pollard. Now there is a flyhalf! In fact all the Boks need is a backline coach and we will do much much better.
Beeno setting it out as it is.  Realism oaks realism.

 Hacked waaugh I do hope you will up your game as you get back into the swing of things! A blunder re tej magnificent Trump and now another re  honest Justin Marshall what are you smoking oak!

 Cloudy the one really good thing Marshalls nonsense did when he was an AB was set off the whole issue of team behaviour .Because of his manky behaviour.

 LOL Wardad agree bro - I mean bringing strippers into the dressing rooms at half time was such a bad idea.

Hi Cloudy - Marshall is not the Canes coach but he commentates as though he was. Not inspiring at all but rather hypercritical.

 Honest justin is by far and away nz's best commentator. in fact the only one worth listening to as the others all have one eye and a superificial understanding of the game.I think the dense kbbs need to consider the boredom and annoyance levels of those having to put up witheir bia sed and cliche ridden commentators!Thanks

 You know nothing about rugby in your own country let alone ours .If you like Marshall so much take him home with you .And dont bother commenting on our rugby and its players ,you know absolutely bugger all about it .Idiot.

 Bwahahhahaha a half wit like ou warped DUD slagging off an all black great like Justin Marshal. Has the twit no shame or self perspective!!We would welcome the great man here! !

I can do that because hes one of our own .Fuk all to do with you dopey ,even Cloudy cant stand the guy and has said so many times in here.Do you think shes shameful too ? Idiot.

 Justin Marshall tends to over-analyse the game, I suppose it is a scrummy thing - Joost did the same when commenting.

 Machie that is posibly another problem these kiwi bird brains (Kbbs) have with honest Justin. they just cant fathom Justin and all his rugby acumen, boit like me I suppose.
warped DUD  hiding is behind Cloudys skirts! Get a grip oak you are making such a wee noodle of yourself! 

 Good to see you bowing down to a kiwi Beeno, it is a start

 Yes beandip makes a change from Trump-et blowing eh ? Your knees be getting all worn out .

Cloudy, Beeno's imm igration application to NZ has hit a barrier so he may not be living in NZ anytime soon. As can be seen below, I'm providing full assistance 
Trump wall withstands a Beeno onslaught
Luckily he's hard headed

"Beeno I hate to burst your bubble but he is not held in high regard here not as a commentator and not even amongst the great AB half backs."
Absolute rubbish. Justin Marshall is recognized by real All Black fans as one of the great halfbacks New Zealand has ever produced. It's out of Justin Marshall, Sid Going and Dave Loveridge for greatest All Black scrumhalf ever and anyone who excludes Marshall from that kind of company is a fool . . . and I know plenty of New Zealanders who would agree with that so please don't come with the "you don't know what New Zealanders think" nonsense.
Can't say I understand the unbridled hatred and venom that Kiwis have for Justin Marshall. All I can say is that the rest of the world sees him as one of the legends of rugby who's not afraid to speak his mind. 

 Rooi, I think JM actually have the balls to criticise some aspects of NZ Rugby and that is perceived as high treason...the issue might be more complex, but IMO that's the crux.

 Justin Marshall is a smart-ass type of guy & that doesn't go down too well with most kiwis.

 I would wager that smart-ass that preaches to the choir go down a lot better.

 It would be more tolerable but not change the basic attitude towards him. At least he's not a Skinstadd.

Rather sad that my Kiwi Bird friends are divided on Justin Marshall...he is certainly worthy of some respect...a great AB that speaks his own mind...maybe too outspoken which is not too popular in that beautiful land of the long white cloud...maybe I'm missing something Cloudy...you're normally level-headed in all matters.

PS Poor old Beano's Blast got blown away by Borado...has it got something to do with our dear Dr friend in Poland...had given up trying to counsel and advise Beeno and stopped his anti-moling campaigns and let Borado in and end Trumpets campaign on Ruckers Forum...Dr Win, should we call you Baffy Duck afterall it's an ill wind that blows no good

 Marshall p!sses many Kiwis off with his over the top nonsense that sees him denigrating the ABs  in some misguided attempt to seem unbiased against opposition teams ..And he ends up being biased against his own people .Many ABs were not impressed with his antics as an AB and on field prowess is just one facet of being a great AB , and only in the hair department did he have it over Sid Going !Just because you played well in the AB jumper doesnt make you a great AB in our eyes , I wouldnt give the time of day to the likes of Hore or Loe for starters.

Well I agree that being a talented player does not make you a great person and certainly I also agree that Sid Going had the edge on all.

Talent is only a small part of a man's character...there have been many great sportsmen that are talented but lack the most important ingredients of greatness...his behaviour off the field is what makes the difference but then again being outspoken is not necessary a bad thing in my book...too much Irish blood in me

Nevertheless I leave it with those who know the man better.

Peace guys...there's enough controversy in SA's backyard and we are tired of it...your controversies are mere dimples on a lake.

Geez are you guys suggesting the AAS is not a leading expert on NZ scrummies? Didn't you know he really knows scrumhalves...he picked Journeyman Craig Davidson over Joost be Westhuizen in a post 90s Bok team. Denied it of course until I posted the team. The man is an expert take it from the Roar...hahaha.

 "......he picked Journeyman Craig Davidson over Joost be Westhuizen..."
Hell, now why doesn't that shock me!? Is there no limit to the Buffoon's stupidity?....Just when you think his stupidity has reached rock bottom it plumbs to a new depth.
Eina!

The 3 greatest no 9's ever stand out by a country mile but cannot really accurately be compared because of eras of the game; Sid Going, Gareth Edwards and Joost Van Der Westhuizen.

As Saffex would say: Case closed...close the door behind you

  "Sid Going, Gareth Edwards and Joost Van Der Westhuizen."
Exactly right.....Justin Marshall is not in the same league.

 Denny, FdP has a case, tainted a bit by the Bok tactics in the last WC, but it's near impossible to compare different era's.

 Marshall along with that show pony mate of his got the ars.e after the fiasco in 2004 in J'burg with all the stupid excesses .True greats dont get kicked out of the ABs like that ,guys like the Mighty Sid Going ,DC,Nonu ,Conrad Smith ,Maccaw and Mealamu go on their own terms .

Wardad, whether you like the guy or not doesn't change the fact that he was a great player.

Justin Marshall was one of the great All Black scrumhalves by anyone's standards and he is also about the only Kiwi I know who can assess your beloved All Blacks objectively without putting them on a pedestal . . . and that seems to annoy other Kiwis who see him as some kind of traitor because of it.

Moffie, you're being a deceitful and childish little baby again. This list where I put up Craig Davidson as one of my "favourite" players actually included the following caveat:

"Before the half-wits start soiling their panties and shrieking about who was better than who, this is a team of my personal favourite players. I don't expect anyone to agree with me and I'm not claiming any one of them is better than anyone else, I'm just putting together a team of my favourite all-time players and I'd be interested to see who other people put in their favourite teams."

"Favourite" is not necessarily the "best" and nowhere am I claiming Craig Davidson was a better scrumhalf than Joost van der Westhuizen. You are clearly one of the half-wits who started soiling his panties despite my trying to explain it to you. You are either too stupid to understand the distinction or else you're too dishonest to include that context . . . I suspect both.

Cloudy, I don't think it matters which country you come from, I'd still know more than you about that country . . . because you're just a vapid little birdbrain who hangs around rugby message boards flirting with the members and looking for compliments without actually ever contributing anything of substance. Just so we're clear, my mental image of you is nothing like the Lara Croft you try so hard to be . . . so really, don't waste any of your precious time involving me in your silly little discussions because I don't care.

 Article with reference to Marshall and Spencer . I wasn't aware of what happened in 2004 in Joburg. I obviously remember the Bok victory, but didn't know the rest of it. It's now clear to me why Kiwis react to Marshall like that. NZ did a good job of fixing the problem. Thanks WD for pointing me the way.

 You really dont know much about Cloudy then Rooinek but I will leave it to her to defend herself she is more than capable .And you cant seriously claim to know more about NZ than someone born bred and living there who is indigenous to NZ ? Do you know more about my homeland than me ? I certainly wouldnt claim to know more about SA than someone born there .I expected better of you .No one is saying Marshall isnt a great player ,just not an AB "great "

 Hi Cloudy ! Looks like those guns are quick on the draw eh ?Cheers Draad It sort of adds context to why many Kiwis will never consider him an AB "great "And I reckon we owe him maybe a backhanded vote of thanks for being the catalyst for change in the ABs along with the loss to France in 2007 .Adversity either makes or breaks I guess .I like how the Boks took care of some of those ABs ,pretty decent of them .

Wardad, where am I claiming to know more about New Zealand than a New Zealander? I'm pretty sure I know more about Justin Marshall than Cloudy does but Justin Marshall is not "New Zealand" and Cloudy is not "New Zealanders".

As for whether Justin Marshall is an All Black great or not, can you name 3 AB scrumhalves that were better than him? If not, top 3 in his position means is one of the greats, however you try to spin it.

Cloudy, I think it was over a year ago that I asked you to substantiate your claim that I was a one of the crybabies who always blames the ref. It's over a year later and you still haven't had the courage (or the integrity) to put up even one tiny little quote to back up your claim.

Until you do, don't try to engage me in any meaningful discussions about rugby or anything else, I don't bother with cowards or liars . . . even if they have a pretty girl as their avatar!

Run along now . . .

What does it matter what one looks like, I suppose you look like Brad Pitt and even if you do which I cannot imagine you still act the tyrant Taff that throws a frothy and hissy fit when your ducks don't fall into a row...one tries very hard to be civil to you but it reaches a point when your nit picking and fault finding of individuals, especially women on this forum is downright ugly and low...you ugly little man. As for Cloudy flirting,that's outrageous...never come across as that...just a well balanced woman who understands men...she has 7 brothers so apologise and treat her with respect.

You can verbally attack me all you like you humourless poisonous puff-adder but it's water off a duck's back...I've tried hard to make peace with you and persevered very hard but some snakes are just too poisonous to handle.

You have the audacity to tell a Kiwi you know more of NZ than they do...that's the biggest laugh of all.

"I've tried hard to make peace with you and persevered very hard but some snakes are just too poisonous to handle."

SubstantialBull, I'd be a lot less poisonous if you stopped yapping at me like a pathetic angry little doggie. Stop whini ng for my attention and keep your stupid christian lectures off the rugby forum and you and I will get along just fine.

Ummmm . . . water actually.

What invitation are you babbling about now? I know it's been a long time since you behaved in such a cowardly and deceitful manner but I haven't forgotten and I'm still waiting for you to either back up your claims or to retract them. That's all. Once you've proven to me you have some character or some integrity we can start afresh and I'll entertain these "invitations" you're banging on about . . . but not until then.

going and Aaron Smith are all better men than Marshall .Marshall got booted from the ABs in 2004 and during the Lions tour in 2005 was benched or not selected off the top of my head .Cloudy the saffas have lonnnnnng memories and never forgot anything anyone posted.Ever .