A Springbok team of bench sitters

 No I just like a decent debate, I am a bit clueless to why you're taking so much offence to this? I've always concentrated to the overall picture to where Goosen has played and never stuck to either the Top 14 or the European Championship. 
Yes, I know you've only made the spreadsheet for the Top 14, but when you make a sweeping statement such as:"Goosen's best games for RM so far was when he started at 15. Coincidently, that was also where he had most of his full games as well."It's qives off the impression that you've given a general assessment and not stuck to just the Top 14. It just so happens to be completely wrong as well. 
Goosen is obviously not seen as a fullback by the Racing Metro coach, it doesn't matter if he's had more game time at fullback than at flyhalf when you take into account the decision behind him playing fullback, The unavailability of Dulin for one reason or another. 
Also FYI you're spreadsheet is wrong, I've taken the time out to make my own spread sheet with the amount of time he spent at flyhalf
Top 14Round 2 = 19 minutesRound 3 = 30 minutesRound 4 = 31 minutes (Injured, definitely would have had more time at Flyhalf)Round 8 = 80 minutesRound 9 = 65 minutesRound 12 = 80 minutesRound 17 = 80 minutesRound 18 = 13 minutesRound 21 = 8 minutesRound 22 = 22 minutes
That equals to 428 total minutes at Flyhalf, you missed 100 minutes when making your spread sheet if we don't take into account the 21st and 22nd Round's. 
Here's the European Championship numbers as well for good measure
1st game = 1 minutes2nd game= 80 minutes3rd game = 80 minutes4th game = 9 minutes Quarter final = 4 minutes
So that's 174 minutes at flyhalf.
Turns out he didn't actually play the 6th pool game, he was in the initial team sheet but was a last minute withdrawal due to injury. 
Going back to the Top 14, 428 minutes at flyhalf compared to 240 minutes at fullback with 668 total minutes of game time gives as an approximate ratio of 65% of his time spent at flyhalf and 35% at fullback. 

So on reflection Goosen has played more minutes at flyhalf, as well as having his best games there and being the definitive 2nd choice behind Sexton. Not seen as a fullback whatsoever a part from when there's no other option.

Shezza
You have no chance to win an argument with the donkeybrains of Mozart and Ceradunce.   When caught out they change the subject and as you can see 65% is quickly changed to 50% when it suits the dunce.    

 Way too early to tell about Goosen. I'm glad he is playing in France.  Hopefully he will be better managed and get his confidence and fitness back properly. If he stayed at the Cheaters, he would probably have been played into the ground. French rugby is hard enough for him not to get soft over there.

 Shezza
 
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May 04, 2015, 17:15:32So on reflection Goosen has played more minutes at flyhalf, as well as having his best games there and being the definitive 2nd choice behind [removed]ton. Not seen as a fullback whatsoever a part from when there's no other option.

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I have never said that Goosen had more game time at fullback. You were the one who said that he has played 80% of  his game time at flyhalf. Let me quote you: "I'd go as far to say up to this point in time Goosen has played 80% of his match time at flyhalf."
Now, my words were: "That is fairly close to 50/50."
Fact is that you are nitpicking my "percentages" while yours are far more off the truth than mine.
You can spin it any way you want, you cannot hide away from the fact that Goosen has been getting a good amount of game time at fullback. When I said that that was about to happen you and dear old Maaikie crapped yourself.
When I doubted how highly he was rated by RM you both crapped yourself again, proclaiming that he was going to be the successor for Se.xton. I gave you two the articles about RM hunting down Matt Giteau as replacement for Se.xton. Once again the angine attacks started and an article was thrown in my face. It was an article on Sport24 where some wise crack, at the time when Goosen signed for or was negotiating with RM, that he was going to replace Se.xton. When RM failed to lure Giteau away from  Toulon they went after other flyhalves as "replacement for Se.xton" never did a single article mention Goosen as his successor and that the "new flyhalf" would be the back-up. They eventually signed Dan Carter as Se.xton's replacement. 
"Meanwhile, the man Carter is replacing at Racing, Jonathan Sexton, may miss Ireland’s opening RBS Six Nations Championship match against Italy." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/11302741/Dan-Carter-Im-moving-to-Racing-Metro-for-the-money.html
"Racing Metro owner Jacky Lorenzetti sees him as the perfect replacement for Johnny Sexton, who is returning to Leinster next season.In signing Carter, he is being greedy. Racing Metro will also have France stand-off Remi Tales on their books next season."  http://www.express.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/547488/Dan-Carter-signs-Racing-Metro-1-4million(Note that Goosen is not even mentioned.)
"Carter has inked a three-year deal with the Paris-based club - first revealed by ESPN on Sunday - worth a reported AUS $2 million (£1m) a season. Racing have been hunting a replacement for Jonny Sexton - who will return to Leinster at the end of the current Top 14 season - and had previously made a play for Toulon's Australian star Matt Giteau."  http://en.espn.co.uk/newzealand/rugby/story/251205.html


Do you want more examples?
clevermike
 
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May 04, 2015, 17:29:57Shezza
You have no chance to win an argument with the donkeybrains of Mozart and Ceradunce.   When caught out they change the subject and as you can see 65% is quickly changed to 50% when it suits the dunce.   

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What was changed where to what p!sshead? I never changed anything to 50%. 

 I haven't nitpicked. Given the data that I was working with, I was much closer to the truth than you. I have never said that RM's coach sees Goosen as a fullback. This was what I said:

Ceradyne
 
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September 27, 2014, 22:03:50 And the Racing Metro first choice flyhalf started at fullback against Grenoble................ and then got himself yellow carded. 


Looks like there are more people who think that he should be playing at 15 where he has more time and where he is not constantly in the firing line of opposing loose forwards, causing him to turn his back and run away from tackle situations. 

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You've have nitpicked on the words "Match time"... 
And my data is a lot more reliable and accurate than yours, you missed 100 minutes of gametime at flyhalf and to see how sure of yourselfyou were that your information was right... Greater the rise, greater the fall... 
"Much closer to the truth"I estimated the percentage Goosen was at fullback on memory... And then it turned out that we were both wrong and that the real answer was in the middle of my guess and your calculation...
By that comment you're quite obviously insinuating that the RM coach, by picking him at 15, see's him as a fullback

 Dont forget Ollie le Roux. Think he spent over 50 tests on the bench
And Hanyene Shimangi

Brent Russell also spent a while on the bench.

 I remember Russell scoring that incredible try against Oz....leaping up like Antaeus , twice as strong,  after being tackled and hitting the ground. A talent we couldn't  decipher.

 Russell was the Willie of his day, our coaches the cavemen of their day. Played in the worst era of Bok rugby.

 The worst era of Bok rugby was when they had duds like the Steyns at flyhalf and inside center.   The dolts who think Morne was a flyhalfs ass cannot get away from the fact that he together with Francois Steyn were responsible for self-destruction of backline play. 
You cannot have two players incapable of reading games and making decisions in those two positions.  Lucky for the Springboks both seems to be out of consideration - one can never trust Meyer though, he may yet come up with rubbish selections.  

      

 
clevermike
 
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May 05, 2015, 09:08:31 The worst era of Bok rugby was when they had duds like the Steyns at flyhalf and inside center.   The dolts who think Morne was a flyhalfs ass cannot get away from the fact that he together with Francois Steyn were responsible for self-destruction of backline play. 
You cannot have two players incapable of reading games and making decisions in those two positions.  Lucky for the Springboks both seems to be out of consideration - one can never trust Meyer though, he may yet come up with rubbish selections. 

      

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South Africa (22) 31 - 19 (13) New Zealand (FT)
FH M Steyn 1/0 31 14/6/5 39 2 1 2 3 3/0 0/0 0 0/0

Ja, like when we won the WC beat the Lions and won the TN.....hahahaha.....the fool Moronic in mid se ason form